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Lamarck Col vs Echo Col

Postby slade » Sat Apr 30, 2011 5:05 pm

To East Side Hiker:

How would you compare Echo Col to Lamarck Col as a route to Ionian Basin?

Thank you,

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Re: Lamarck Col vs Echo Col

Postby slade » Sun May 01, 2011 6:49 am

Thanks and apologies to the monitor. Relabeling and starting a new topic makes good sense (I'll learn the ropes in time).

And anyone (in addition to East Side Hiker) who can contribute to this new discussion topic, please chime in (I only addressed it to East Side Hiker because he stated he plans to visit Ionian Basin from the east side via Lamarck Col).
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Re: Lamarck Col vs Echo Col

Postby texan » Sun May 01, 2011 10:28 am

I have done both. I only climbed to Echo Col and Lamarck Col was a quick way into the backcountry where there is solitude. The waterfall out of Echo Lake is impressive.

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Re: Lamarck Col vs Echo Col

Postby East Side Hiker » Sun May 01, 2011 9:45 pm

I, for whatever reason I can't explain, like Lamark Col. I love the Darwin Basin, and going down it and then up Evolution pleases me. Lamark Col is pretty easy, though the drive to North Lake is not. Its long and tedious. I love the drive to Mosquito Flat.
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Re: Lamarck Col vs Echo Col

Postby maverick » Mon May 02, 2011 12:33 pm

Slade wrote "Thanks and apologies to the monitor."
No apologies needed, that is what we are here for.
Lamarck Col is much easier than Echo Col, because on Echo Col you can get into
trouble if you take the wrong route and get stuck up on a cliff, the route is more
involved than Lamarck, that's why it's a class 3.
Lamarck is very straight forward, and as ESH mentions Darwin Canyon, and especially
Darwin Bench is beautiful (views from it).
Getting from North Lake to Ionian via Lamarck Col-Black Giant Pass or Wanda Pass
will take you 3 days, so plan accordingly.
Here is a photo of Echo Col http://www.summitpost.org/echo-col-12-4 ... ada/336517

Here is a description of the Lamarck Col route with photo's (one of many):
http://www.ljhelms.com/albums/0608Evolution/index.htm
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Re: Lamarck Col vs Echo Col

Postby slade » Tue May 03, 2011 6:11 am

Gracias.
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Re: Lamarck Col vs Echo Col

Postby East Side Hiker » Thu May 05, 2011 7:24 am

Maverick, you are the best!
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Re: Lamarck Col vs Echo Col

Postby Mike M. » Thu May 05, 2011 6:28 pm

As Maverick says, Lamarck Col is much easier than Echo Col. For all intents and purposes, Lamarck is a trailed route all the way from the North Lake trailhead to the small tarn just beneath the pass. The west side of the pass has a faint use trail (which is easy to lose) until you get down to the lakes in the basin below -- I usually just approach this leg of the route as pure cross country and forget about any trail.

Echo Col is a classic class 3 cross country route, usually requiring an ice axe. Route finding can be tricky.

I think the Echo Col route is a little more direct for getting to the Ionian Basin, but the Lamarck Col route is much easier and is my route of choice. A second easier but less direct route, would be to approach the Ionian Basin from the backside, via Piute Pass, down Piute Creek to the JMT junction and then up Goddard Canyon and into Ionian Basin via Martha Lake and Goddard Pass.

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and yet another way to get there

Postby paul » Thu May 05, 2011 9:39 pm

You can also get to Ionian from the west via Blackcap basin, starting at either Courtwright or Wishon reservoir; or via Goddard canyon, starting from Florence lake. A nice trip report (for the Florence lake start, IIRC) was posted here some time back. Some very pretty country on either of those routes.
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Re: Lamarck Col vs Echo Col

Postby East Side Hiker » Mon May 09, 2011 9:08 pm

I've been to the Ionian Basin from Courtright several times. It's not a bad trip, but it can be dry on the west side, with cows, and you have to make some good moves around Mt Reinstein (spelled right?). The drive to Courtright is tedious.

I'd do it from Lamark Col. I did that once (to Ionian Basin), and it might be a little longer, but its much more beautiful. The drive is beautiful. And its the East Side. Lamark Col is one of the best passes. And Darwin Basin is fantastic, and Elovution is just as fantastic. One of the most beautiful places in the Sierra.
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Re: Lamarck Col vs Echo Col

Postby quentinc » Tue May 10, 2011 8:47 pm

Mike M. wrote:The west side of the pass has a faint use trail (which is easy to lose) until you get down to the lakes in the basin below -- I usually just approach this leg of the route as pure cross country and forget about any trail.

The west side of the pass has recently been ducked, for some reason. I still prefer your way of approaching it.
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Re: Lamarck Col vs Echo Col

Postby Wandering Daisy » Wed May 11, 2011 8:38 am

Another route into Ionian Basin with more trail miles vs off-trail and easiest pass into the basin is from South Lake via Bishop Pass, Dusy Basin, LeConte Canyon and Black Giant Pass. It is about 2-3 miles longer than going in via Lamark Col and may have a bit more elevation gain and loss. I think it depends on what you want to see on the way in, what permits are available and what side of the Ionian Basin you wish to get to. If you had two cars, it would be a neat loop trip to go in Lamark and come out to South Lake. I have also gone in from Florence Lake. It is not short, but easier than going in from Courtright and a good route if you are aiming for the west side of the basin or climb Mt. Goddard.
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