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Trip Planning

Postby maverick » Mon Feb 21, 2011 10:51 pm

So the season has ended, and during the winter months you day dream about locations
and some of them actually start turning into possiblities for later in summer/fall seasons.

-How many trips do you usually come up with at the possibility stage of things, and
how many of these do you really actually do?

-Do you plan or have a list of places for extra (smaller) trips just in case you get some
unforeseen extra free time?

-Is the time you have for backpacking pretty much the same each year(because of work or
family vacations)?

-Do you all ways plan let's say 5 trips each year, but unforeseen family issues, job related
issues, or injury all ways lessens this amount each year?

-Do you plan trips with a priority in mind since once you hit a certain age some places
may be beyond your capabilities, so you try to do some trips as early in your years
as you still can?
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Re: Trip Planning

Postby oldranger » Mon Feb 21, 2011 11:02 pm

I schedule one two week block each summer that is firm. Family and snow level controls whatever other blocks of time I can get. I have a flexible heirarchy of trips I want to do based primarily around fishing opportunities. I have come to appreciate July because the fishing is good the number of people is down and I can deal with mosquitos. When my wife suggests a trip we do it regardless of any other priorities I might have.

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Re: Trip Planning

Postby maverick » Mon Feb 21, 2011 11:09 pm

Mike writes " When my wife suggests a trip we do it regardless of any other priorities
I might have". One of the secrets to a successful marriage!
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Re: Trip Planning

Postby gregw822 » Tue Feb 22, 2011 1:17 pm

After living in CA most of my life I moved to Eugene, OR ten years ago. Since then it's been one Sierra trip a year. (There are just too many cool things to do in the wold.)

I usually go the last week of July or first week of August (sandwiched between a couple of family birthdays). I make the plans in February, since that's when the need to be "out there" reaches a maximum.

I'm out 6-9 days, with a day and half driving on either end, Eugene to Reno, and Reno to wherever.

I usually go solo. I like being on my own in the Sierra, and most people I know, particularly with families, have trouble setting aside that much time for a backpacking trip.

I like to start on the east side, since it gets me into the high country a day earlier. West side: Long approach drive through the foothills followed by two days walking through the woods. East side: A spectacular drive down 395, and a serious climb over one of the east side passes. These are generalizations, of course.

I like a balance of days above timberline and just below. Having reached my late 50's my wife has extracted a promise not to go off trail when I'm out alone. Of course, the definition of "off trail" is a sliding scale/ :wink:

I avoid places where there are bear boxes, because that's where you find bears (and crowds). I rarely see bears, and I've never had trouble with one.

Fishing is important, but I usually do not plan my trip around fishing. I prefer streams to lakes, and I do think of that when I'm in planning mode.

I don't give a damn about mosquitoes. They're part of the deal, so deal with it.

Since I'm usually by myself, I don't worry about permits. I've never missed getting a walk-in permit for my first choice. Thus, I usually don't bother with backup plans.

I rarely do layover days.

I wish it was late July right now!
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Re: Trip Planning

Postby markskor » Tue Feb 22, 2011 3:13 pm

Mav asks - Do you plan trips with a priority in mind since once you hit a certain age some places may be beyond your capabilities, so you try to do some trips as early in your years
as you still can?
Greg then states - I rarely do layover days.

Thoughts –
Fishing is my priority; really wish I was better at it – just takes more practice I guess. And yes, I am fast approaching that age where certain places Yosemite (enjoy Yosemite), once easily bagged, now hurt a bit more, but hopefully, they are not yet beyond my limited capabilities. I may not be fast, but I am slow.

Where once continuous hiking days/ logging the long miles, was the norm, now (from all the flack I got) obviously needing as much fishing practice as possible (just ask Mike), I decided to make a difficult choice. Instead of doing the long trail miles, I am now physically forcing myself to get to camp early, perhaps, God forbid, even stay over an extra night at certain isolated Sierra lakes, alas wasting away a lot good hiking days, just for the sake of fishing practice, trying to perfect an elusive art. Sigh!

Realizing that this perceived idleness could be construed badly, I apologize, admittedly paying a high cost, but that’s the price you have to pay, as it does entail more time on the water and less time trail-lugging a bear can up a steep granite slope. Begrudgingly, I am willing to make this sacrifice, if only for the good of mankind.
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Re: Trip Planning

Postby rlown » Tue Feb 22, 2011 3:24 pm

markskor wrote:
Greg, I live for layover fishing days.


Amen to that!! It's hard to know a remote piece of water when all you have is 20 mins to 2 hrs before you have to hoof it again.
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Re: Trip Planning

Postby AlmostThere » Tue Feb 22, 2011 4:44 pm

maverick wrote: -How many trips do you usually come up with at the possibility stage of things, and
how many of these do you really actually do?


I have an ongoing list - things from 1-2 days to 1-2 weeks, all over the mountains.

-Do you plan or have a list of places for extra (smaller) trips just in case you get some
unforeseen extra free time?


yes.

-Is the time you have for backpacking pretty much the same each year(because of work or
family vacations)?


Nope - make time when I can, grab the pack and run!

-Do you all ways plan let's say 5 trips each year, but unforeseen family issues, job related
issues, or injury all ways lessens this amount each year?


Last minute stuff gets in the way sometimes, other times it's that weather leads to all my hiking buddies bailing on me.

-Do you plan trips with a priority in mind since once you hit a certain age some places
may be beyond your capabilities, so you try to do some trips as early in your years
as you still can?


My priority is having a good time. Sometimes I can hike 15 miles in a day. A lot of times I just don't want to. I might push myself for something particularly wonderful, but I tend to have a different idea of what that is. Doesn't include anything where there are likely to be 2,000 tourists, for example. I have been known to go "off season" just because no one else will be there.
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Re: Trip Planning

Postby gregw822 » Tue Feb 22, 2011 8:48 pm

Alas, I just can't do layover days. The trail is a siren I cannot ignore. I am a diagnosed case of ADD run amok. The thought of sitting at peace under a tree doing nothing is horrific. But, I AM doing a layover day this year! I'll make Junction Meadow on Day 3 and will spend Day 4 fishing the Kern. Of course I'll start by hiking downriver for 2-3 hours before I put a fly in the water, but we do what we can, eh?

For me, fishing is more of an exclamation point on a backpacking trip. I get lots of full days on the Deschutes and the McKenzie. But, to be sure, I do love catching those beautiful goldens.
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Re: Trip Planning

Postby LMBSGV » Tue Feb 22, 2011 10:10 pm

How many trips do you usually come up with at the possibility stage of things, and
how many of these do you really actually do?

I also have a very long ongoing list of both short trips of a 2 or 3 days to 2-3 weeks.I usually manage at least two a year.

-Do you plan or have a list of places for extra (smaller) trips just in case you get some
unforeseen extra free time?

I rarely get unforeseen extra time, but when I (or we-my wife and I) do, we pick something from the ongoing list. This can be a backpacking trip or a car camping trip. We also do a few overnight backpacks every year at Pt. Reyes National Seashore. We can decide the day before, pack the next morning, leave after lunch, and be in a campsite in 90 minutes from our house. On weekdays, there's anywhere from no one to possibly 3 other parties in the backcountry sites. It's a great spontaneous escape.

-Is the time you have for backpacking pretty much the same each year(because of work or
family vacations)?

I promise myself one solo trip a year, usually 6-8 days depending on my time and the route. The short trips, usually one, may two a year are more the unforeseen extra time.

-Do you all ways plan let's say 5 trips each year, but unforeseen family issues, job related
issues, or injury all ways lessens this amount each year?

Since I have this ongoing list, I have more like 20 trips planned (I can dream, can't I?) Reality is that job and family obligations limit the dreams back to reality. When we retire in five years or so, we'll hopefully be able to come closer to to 10 trips instead of 2 or 3 besides the Pt. Reyes overnights.

-Do you plan trips with a priority in mind since once you hit a certain age some places
may be beyond your capabilities, so you try to do some trips as early in your years
as you still can?

The early years are long gone. At my age (59) this has become the ability to get to certain places at least once in my life while I still can. It's a question of just how many of those places I'll still manage to get to. I'm hoping for at least a few more years. Then I'll start going to the easy off-trail places like Humphrey's Basin until I have to be content with car camping or staying in a cabin.
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Re: Trip Planning

Postby Carne_DelMuerto » Tue Feb 22, 2011 10:52 pm

-How many trips do you usually come up with at the possibility stage of things, and
how many of these do you really actually do?


I have one small firm trip a year right now and I make sure it happens. Down the line the number and length of trips will increase. For the one firm trip I usually research 2-3 locations.

-Do you plan or have a list of places for extra (smaller) trips just in case you get some
unforeseen extra free time?


I have a list of trips I want to do for the next 10 years...trying to catch up. I do have a couple small trips locally that I keep in the back of my mind if the planets do align and I get some free time.

-Is the time you have for backpacking pretty much the same each year(because of work or
family vacations)?


As a freelancer I dictate my own schedule, but starting a family a few years back has limited the time I can get away. (Hence, the small trips for now.) My busy season ramps up in August, so early season trips are what I aim for these days.

-Do you all ways plan let's say 5 trips each year, but unforeseen family issues, job related
issues, or injury all ways lessens this amount each year?


As I said I only get one a year right now, and I make sure it happens. (Although, I think two of my buddies and I have talked our wives into letting us sneak in a short coastal trip this spring—woohoo!)

-Do you plan trips with a priority in mind since once you hit a certain age some places
may be beyond your capabilities, so you try to do some trips as early in your years
as you still can?


I am looking down the line right now, and I definitely want to do some big, high elevation trips within the next 3-7 years. (Bear Lakes Basin loop is already being planned and I'm at least 2 years away from being able to get away for the 7-10 days I want for that trip.) I'm only 39, so I think I have some time left to tackle HST before my body breaks down. :D
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Re: Trip Planning

Postby sparky » Tue Feb 22, 2011 11:01 pm

I come up with a big one each year, and I stick to it MOST of the time. I got two big ones in last year. 2-5 day hikes I just pick a spot and go without much planning.

Sometimes something comes up that will change the locale, add or subtract time ect...

The nature of my job is i dont know when and how much time i can get off, so I just keep tricks up my sleeve and pull 'em out when i can
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Re: Trip Planning

Postby rrivera » Tue Feb 22, 2011 11:24 pm

Great Topic!

"How many trips do you usually come up with at the possibility stage of things, and
how many of these do you really actually do?"

In the last few years I have come up with about 10 and I end up doing 7-8 each summer. The vast majority are just weekend or 3 day trips and I try to do a 7-10 day trip once a year.

"Do you plan or have a list of places for extra (smaller) trips just in case you get some
unforeseen extra free time?"

Nope never since unforeseen time is not a reality with my job

Is the time you have for backpacking pretty much the same each year(because of work or
family vacations)?

It's pretty much the same June - Sept...my week long trip is always in August since I hate sqeets and I try to pick trips that won't be packed with the throngs. In the last couple of years I have had to plan around our company's fiscal year close at the end of July but that's not a big deal.

"Do you all ways plan let's say 5 trips each year, but unforeseen family issues, job related
issues, or injury all ways lessens this amount each year?"

Seldom...I communicate early and often about my plans :) I've only dropped out of one trip in the last 5 years due to injury.

"Do you plan trips with a priority in mind since once you hit a certain age some places
may be beyond your capabilities, so you try to do some trips as early in your years
as you still can"

Definitely...I am currently clinging onto my 30s (barely)....but I do have some harder trips that I am prioritizing. When I just can't carry the loads anymore I have no doubt I will use a packer.

Regarding layovers....my first major fight with my boyfriend close to 10 years ago included the following quote "I don't do layovers"...this outburst occurred during a last minute backpack planning during a trip to Banff. It took about 8 more years but I've learned that layovers are not such a bad thing.
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