self-issued permits at wilderness access points?

[bheiser1]

ohhh, my apologies ... you're right, I was rejecting pop-ups. I'll watch 'em now .

[AlmostThere]

Anyway it seems I'm the only one with this issue, the rest of you have this all figured out so it works for you. Thanks for the feedback .

Perhaps you are taking a different message than we/I was trying to send you from all the posts in this thread... it isn't that you are somehow the only one with an issue. As I have explained to many backpacking noobs in my own hiking group, all this is do-able - it just takes a little figuring out. Some trips you have to do in advance, some you can do at the last possible minute, and some really popular ones you may have to be really patient for permits - once you're aware of the rules in the places you want to go it just sort of falls into place. I live within shouting distance of Yosemite, the police state of the parks, and their permitting system consistently irritates folks coming from out of state just as they irritate you, for similar reasons. It doesn't irritate me at all because I go often enough to know what I can expect from showing up at the wilderness office at the last minute - Happy Isles, Sunset, Rafferty, Vogelsang, Cathedral, will all be booked on weekends. If I show up at 10 am Saturday I'll get an unclaimed permit for something. Everyone forgets they put unclaimed reserved permits up for grabs.