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East Lake and Reflection Lake via Bubbs Creek Trail

Postby taktical » Fri Jun 25, 2010 8:34 pm

Hello,
Does anyone happen to have any updated trail condition information more recent than what is supplied on the SEKI website? I am planning a backpacking trip starting the 4th of July weekend to East Lake and Reflection Lake in Kings Canyon via the Bubbs Creek Trail from Roads End. Any information will be much appreciated.

Thanks.
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Re: East Lake and Reflection Lake via Bubbs Creek Trail

Postby DoyleWDonehoo » Sat Jun 26, 2010 10:33 am

The major problem this time of year is getting across Bubbs Creek. And if it has been a particularly wet year...
There may be issues of snow on the north slopes too, for sure getting to Reflection Lake, tho it should be nice and consolidated. Bubbs Creek will be the big deal.
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Re: East Lake and Reflection Lake via Bubbs Creek Trail

Postby kpeter » Sat Jun 26, 2010 10:30 pm

When I did that hike five years ago, I had to ford Bubbs creek which was knee deep, cold, very swift, and twenty feet wide in a relatively dry year in late July. I nearly slipped a couple of times mainly due to the swiftness of the water over the slick stones. Maybe I did not find the optimal way across, but that was right at the standard trail ford right next to where East creek comes in.
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Re: East Lake and Reflection Lake via Bubbs Creek Trail

Postby copeg » Sun Jun 27, 2010 7:31 am

When I attempted the ford last (almost ten years ago) in late July, it was about waist deep (the only way I actually knew that was seeing two other hikers attempting the ford on my way out). I ended up crossing about 0.25-0.5 miles downstream in a meadow where the creek widens. It was some nice bushwacking on the other side, but much safer in my opinion. That area though, along east creek and up to Reflection, is gorgeous terrain.
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Re: East Lake and Reflection Lake via Bubbs Creek Trail

Postby taktical » Sun Jun 27, 2010 11:20 am

Thanks everyone for your input! I am concerned about the crossings and will stay in touch with the folks at SEKI this week to get updated reports on the trail and crossings. Considering the snow pack this year, it's probably a bit too early to do this hike...
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Re: East Lake and Reflection Lake via Bubbs Creek Trail

Postby Cross Country » Sun Jun 27, 2010 4:32 pm

I agree with you that it's too early. Remember if you stay alive you get to do lots more trips. If you die trying to cross the creek, you don't. This, coming from a person (me) who took way to many risks in the backcountry, but none as dangerous as crossing that creek now.
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Re: East Lake and Reflection Lake via Bubbs Creek Trail

Postby maverick » Tue Jun 29, 2010 1:25 pm

This year getting across Bubb's will be very difficult and dangerous.
Drowning is the number one cause of death in the park!
Even if it was not a higher than average snow year it would take a good deal of
scouting to find a safe crossing.
Reschedule your trip!
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Re: East Lake and Reflection Lake via Bubbs Creek Trail

Postby taktical » Wed Jun 30, 2010 9:29 pm

Thanks everyone for your good advice. I can't seem to get any new information from SEKI, thus, I'm now looking for alternate BP trips in SEKI. Thinking of Seville Lake for now. Let me know if you have any suggestions!

I'm thinking not, but does anyone know if SEKI may allow me to transfer my current permit to another TH start for the same day?
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Re: East Lake and Reflection Lake via Bubbs Creek Trail

Postby AlmostThere » Wed Jun 30, 2010 9:40 pm

I recently talked to rangers in SEKI - they said snow in Junction meadow was closing the Bubbs trail, a couple weeks ago when I headed up to Mist Falls and Paradise Valley on a dayhike. Backpackers coming down after an attempt on Rae Lakes Loop said that the snow on the JMT was five feet deep and slushy to the point that some were wading through instead of postholing. The river itself was swollen and whole fir trees were floating down to catch in the huge logjam at the south end of PV. The runoff is continuing at high rates and while the snow is likely dropping by leaps and bounds, it's crazy out there with the water.

I think the rangers would let you switch if there were available slots on the TH you want - they tend to do that in Yosemite anyway, have not tried to switch in SEKI, keep us posted if they do or don't - would be handy to know.
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Re: East Lake and Reflection Lake via Bubbs Creek Trail

Postby oldranger » Thu Jul 01, 2010 8:19 am

taktical

Bad news good news. Bad news first--since seville/ranger lakes are one of the few really nice areas that will be open there will be a bunch of people interested in going to the area. Good news there are two entrances that can work for that area--Belle Canyon and Sugarloaf. Get to Grant Grove today or early Tomorrow to get your permit and you won't have a problem!

Have fun!

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Re: East Lake and Reflection Lake via Bubbs Creek Trail

Postby maverick » Thu Jul 01, 2010 9:32 am

Make sure you visit Lost Lake while you are at Seville Lake!
You will not be disappointed in this alternative trip, which is just as beautiful
and is much safer.
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Re: East Lake and Reflection Lake via Bubbs Creek Trail

Postby taktical » Thu Jul 01, 2010 7:48 pm

Thanks! I definitely plan to visit Lost Lake if I'm able to secure/transfer my permit! Hopefully the mosquito problem up there won't be too bad yet. Last year around the same time, due to timing, the mosquito experience in July was the worst I've ever encountered on the Lakes Trail. I've left a message with the wilderness office and I'll make sure to pass on the info re:permits and my trip...
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