Bears and canisters

[JWreno]

In 2008 my wife and I carried two Bearikade Expeditions. We had no problem
putting 12 days of food in the cans. The expeditions have more room than the
heavier bear vaults. They are expensive but I consider them an investment that
I will enjoy for 25+ years. We hung balanced bags for about 8 years but I got
tired of loosing sleep chasing away bears 2 or 3 nights each trip.

[rlown]

I know were talking mostly about bear cans here, but is there anything you all do espcially for your pack to make sure it's not taken at 2am? We had this happen once about 10 years ago up at Evelyn Lk; my friend left his toothbrush in the pack. Not sure if that's what prompted the bear to take it, as i think they also see a pack as a potential food source.

I've taken to tying off my pack frame to a tree or rock at night with my pot handle threaded through the rope to the pack. pile of rocks strategically placed outside the tent for thwarting such attempts.

[ERIC]

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[Cross Country]

That's OK. I wrote this to be provocative and it sure worked. It doesn't make me angry that someone(s)
doesn't agree with me. How boring it would be if everyone agreed all the time. The anger and personal put down parts are a shame. I believe anger reflects more on the writer that the writee. I hope you'll never see me make a personal attack on anyone here. I can't guarantee anything because I'm neither perfect nor an expert. I certainly did offend some people and for that I apologize. It was certainly not my intention.

[giantbrookie]

I know were talking mostly about bear cans here, but is there anything you all do espcially for your pack to make sure it's not taken at 2am? We had this happen once about 10 years ago up at Evelyn Lk; my friend left his toothbrush in the pack. Not sure if that's what prompted the bear to take it, as i think they also see a pack as a potential food source.
I've taken to tying off my pack frame to a tree or rock at night with my pot handle threaded through the rope to the pack. pile of rocks strategically placed outside the tent for thwarting such attempts.

Wow, having a pack move off in the middle of the night is a nightmare. I've never much worried about my pack, but I can say that I've had damage to the pack and other equipment done by smaller critters. While camped at Tower Lake (N. of Tower Peak, N Yosemite border) in 1987, chipmunks (we think) staged a series of attacks the first chewed on the scree guards of our boots (thence moved inside tent), then on the leather attachment grommets on our packs (thence also moved inside tent), and finally chewed leather wrist loops off of our two homemade walking sticks. On another occasion, some critter chewed on my boots that were supporting my pillow while sleeping out under the stars (1982, Smith L., Russian Wilderness); slept through the whole thing. The boots were so badly damaged I could barely hike out in them. The "move into tent" technique (for critter protection) works if you tend to use a generously sized tent (as I always do--my camp set up is aimed at in-camp comfort, rather than being super light on the hike).

Returning to the original post about storage capacity of bear cannisters and "excess" food, I've also tended to leave unopened freeze dried stuff outside of the cannister so as to prioritize cannister space for opened or ready-to-eat foods (if in fact it didn't all fit in the cannister). The stuff left out of the cannister is used to prop my pillow inside the tent. I have hiked with bear cannisters (Garcia in my case) ever since they were required. Perhaps because my trips never exceeded 9 days, capacity has not been too much of an issue, especially since the standard for my trips is for each person on the trip to have a cannister. The folks I hike with like the cannisters (as I do) because they double as very nice camp seats. In 43 years of backpacking I have never had a bear raid my camp, although I have had occasional critter problems. I have been camped at more popular places when bears have raided nearby campsites of other campers, though. One example I recall was when someone did not use the bear box at the outlet of East Lake (KCNP) one night, because he was too lazy to walk 300 yards or so to put his food away at night. The bear got all of his food and he had to go home on day 3 of what he had planned as a week plus long trip. This fellow had actually stored his food in the bear box the night before, but for some reason decided it would be OK to be lazy the next evening. It was clear from the prints we saw on the ground that the bear (or bears) very systematically inspected each campsite for unprotected food because nearly all of the occupied campsites, including ours, had paw prints through them.

[rlown]

Wow, having a pack move off in the middle of the night is a nightmare. I've never much worried about my pack, but I can say that I've had damage to the pack and other equipment done by smaller critters.

The good news is we heard the bear and jumped up in our skivvies and headlamps and chased it until it stopped and stared back at us, with the pack in it's mouth (maybe 200yds). We kinda pummelled it until it dropped the pack. Only one outside pocket ripped off (toothbrush pocket) and lots of bear slobber over the whole thing. I never sleep without a pile of small stones and weaving a rope through stuff i need on the trip.

I've never had trouble with the smaller critters. But, i do keep all my socks, boots in the tent as you indicated. Not sure why as they are very curious.

[Sierra Maclure]

Am I the only one who uses an Ursack (or 2) with pots tied to it (for a bear signal) in areas where can's are not required? Of course, I'm discerning and judicious where I use them and have never had them molested, even when I saw a wild bear in the area. In places where it's still legal to hang and camp bears are highly unlikely, I've found the Ursack a great option. Just thought I'd throw this into the discussion. Anyone else had any luck or problems with the Ursack? PS. Don't call me an idiot.

[oldranger]

SM

I used Ursacks the last two years they were legal in in Yosemite. Of course a bear never entered our camp so the effectiveness is unknown. On one of the trips I also used a counterbalanced cache where counterbalancing was legal and in an area not frequented by campers. Again no sign that a bear even approached the cache let alone tried to get it. I am considering using one this summer where it is legal but may decide just to counterbalance as my two silnylon food bags weigh about 2 oz. each. Whenever I have used a canister bears have never entered my camp either. In fact the last time I had a bear in my camp was 1990 (knock on wood) when I was a ranger on horseback and camped at Vidette Meadow (horses pushed up above the drift fence that kept them out of Vidette). I described that experience on another thread. But I chased the bear off before it got anything and it never returned.

Mike

[rlown]

kinda interesting. I haven't had any bear trouble in about 10 years. maybe the canisters are doing their job as well as most backpackers. I remember near the Vogelsang backpackers camp when they had the poles up for you to hang your food, it was like bear mecca every night.

[rlown]

Am I the only one who uses an Ursack (or 2) with pots tied to it (for a bear signal) in areas where can's are not required? Of course, I'm discerning and judicious where I use them and have never had them molested, even when I saw a wild bear in the area. In places where it's still legal to hang and camp bears are highly unlikely, I've found the Ursack a great option. Just thought I'd throw this into the discussion. Anyone else had any luck or problems with the Ursack? PS. Don't call me an idiot.

I found this "recent" post for Seki on approved food storage: http://www.nps.gov/seki/planyourvisit/u ... ance-2.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Ursack doesn't show up there yet.

If you do a search on Ursack in this forum, you'll find that several do own and have used them, where applicable; always best to check with the local authorities beforehand.