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Postby hikerduane » Mon Dec 05, 2005 9:48 pm

With the regs about using a canister now, it would be hard to stay out too long without a backup plan. Go to two canisters I guess. I can only get a six day supply of food into my Garcia Machine. I need to do the repackaging thing I guess.

My neighbor got by on some sort of pasta, olive oil and dried tomatoes for dinner. He shared a meal at least once and the guy couldn't believe how good it tasted. Of course he had been eating freeze dried stuff. I supplement at least one meal when out for a week with fish. Usually the night I eat ramen.

When I was younger and only weighted about 140 lbs., I used to carry 50 lbs. It took years to get rid of some of that stuff and gain the experience. The internet the last few years has been a real eye opener for me on what gear is available since I live in a small community.



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Postby ndwoods » Wed Dec 07, 2005 11:12 pm

9 days routinely. Could carry more days I think pretty easily. 9 day backpack is only 32 lbs with food and water so I couple more days food would be ok.
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Postby sierra cyd » Thu Dec 08, 2005 11:02 am

9 days, with or without the canister (Bearikade Expedition). I probably could carry more if I didn't mind eating less quantity and variety, but 9 days is the usual amount with my usual diet (I like FOOD!). It starts to get pretty heavy and bulky after that. I definitely repackage everything into ziplocs, too, and I do have a little food left at the end, too. My pack is usually about 45 pounds with canister and 9 days of food, and 1 qt water, and my husband carries about 10 more pounds to start. I guess we should try to lighten up a bit! Ahhh, but the comforts.....but that's another topic.
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Postby BSquared » Thu Dec 08, 2005 2:11 pm

Actually that's pretty impressive. No, it's very impressive, with food and all. How about posting a gear list?
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Postby hikerduane » Thu Dec 08, 2005 7:53 pm

I used to do 8 day trips when I was younger, small pack, "everything I owned" look, no canister, but 5 lb., synthetic sb and carried around 50 lbs. Even with the light gear that I have now, all I could get it down to with a canister was around 37 lbs. for a six day trip. I am going with a lighter stove from now on and refined clothing list if I can. That doesn't lose much. You just have to eat. I use cheese, jerky, freeze dried dinners, but too many cereal/energy bar breakfasts.

I should add, my neighbor would stay out most of the summer bping.
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Postby yosemitechris » Thu Dec 08, 2005 9:27 pm

On our 2002 JMT hike, the most my Garcia canister carried at a stretch was 9 days of food. My son carried a canister as well. We ate mostly corn pasta, carried in bulk, for dinner with dehydrated veggies of all sorts and a little olive oil and fresh garlic, of course. We ate the good (heavy) stuff like salami and cheese first and ended up carrying out the soynuts. I repackaged almost everything except Clif Bars, which I think are heavy and not very tasty. I bagged a variety of small bags of salty snacks and sweets snacks, one for each day. And dried soy milk (less bulky than regular) for morning cereal.

My pack was only about 35# (I carried the dehydrated food) and Will's was about 60#. But then, he carries a library of books along With him to read!
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Postby freestone » Thu Dec 08, 2005 9:49 pm

Over the years I have discovered that camping, fishing, and hiking above 10,000ft actually diminishes my appitite and nature's calling, but not the taste buds. Planning a trip when the appitite is geared to homelife caused me to bring way too much food. So now that I have wised up to this fact, I leave half the orginal menu at the trailhead. My current favorite is Knorrs tomatoe soup, CousCous, a dash af dried ground beef and jalapeno, a breadstick, and a chocolate covered ricecrispy bar for dessert. A stick of pepperoni from the Italian Market, a daily handful of nuts , and Kashi cereal round off the menu for lunch and breakfast. I am better off with small quanities of low processed, high caloric whole foods than large quanities of highly processed lightweight food. Kosher salt and fresh ground pepper deliver that home cooking touch in the wilderness. I still can't give up the fresh coffee, but now I leave the wine at home when I go solo. I have read about trekkers who backpack the sierra for the beauty and the opportunity to practice the art of preparing a tasty ultralight meal. I would gladly porter, catch fish, and do the dishes for such heavenly souls!
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Postby dave54 » Thu Dec 08, 2005 10:25 pm

The longest was 15 days times 4 people with no resupply. That was a long time ago (B.C. -- Before Canisters). I do not recall how much my pack weighed, but I was twenty years old and handled it easily.

I am a wimp now. I take shorter trips and eat real food.
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Postby Snow Nymph » Thu Dec 08, 2005 10:48 pm

Just started eating Kashi (honey puffs) cereal and added it to our oatmeal when we did the SHR. Good stuff!

I eat 1-1.25 lb/day, and bring a few extra snacks in case I need more, or if we have to stay out an extra day. Usually I lose my appetite the first few days, but make up for it later in the trip.

My freeze dried dinners are 2.8-3.0 oz, with hot chocolate or soup after. On long trips we look forward to eating it! We add red or black pepper, parmesan cheese, garlic, dried onions, etc to spice it up.

Lunch is usually mozzarella sticks & salami/pepperoni, with French rolls, mayo/mustard packets. Salmon (in foil pkg) and tortilla for longer trips.

Oatmeal/kashi/dried fruit and coffee for breakfast. I package snacks like cashews, macadamia nuts and cheese-its in snack size baggies, sealed in half. I don’t eat much, so half a baggie is perfect. I pack different snacks so there’s variety depending on my mood. I bring 2 bars/day, and try not to bring more than 3 of the same kind. I don’t want to burn out on the same thing every day. So there’s Banana or Vanilla Crisp Powerbars, Cookie bars, Granola bars, Sweet & Salty bars (my favorite!), Honey Maid banana nut bars (thanks, MiT!) and a few misc ones.

The electrolyte powder drinks are heavy, and so are the Gu Packets. 
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Postby Bearlover » Thu Dec 08, 2005 10:52 pm

I am a calorie counter.. Thanks to surviving two teenage sisters.. I know the value/detriment of the calorie. And of course fat calories are not the same as carb calories.. Why my sister ATHENA could determine the number and destination of calories by eye: Cheeseburger-580-hips... OH Yes, I remember Tab cola. Any ways...

I can cram 8 days of comestibles into my Garcia base camp canister. The base camp is the four pound job a bit taller than the backpacker model. I repackage my food and much is already freeze dried from the Whole Foods Market bulk section. I have found the heath food store stuff really seems to have more punch for calorie... I never thought I would admit this (I am Californian afterall) I believe the natural crap does have a bit more food value than the commercial freeze meals.(OKAY get me a plate of Blue-Greens Algea! and I will put me Birkenstocks on!)
I just try to balance the fats/carbs/and proteins a bit based on total % over 8 days.. then fill the rest of the needed calories with crap foods like candy. Usually I top out around 18,000 kcal for 8 days and I lose weight but don't feel starved. The lost weight is probably dehydration 'cause my jaw is always wide open around that incredible scenery! :retard:
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Postby wingding » Fri Dec 09, 2005 6:58 am

7 days will fit in my bear can and that's as long of a trip as I'd probably want to do.
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Postby sierra cyd » Fri Dec 09, 2005 1:09 pm

Looks like we are straying into diet specifics, since it is now lunch time and I'm hungry, I'll chime in....my backpacking diet is very similar to snow nymph's. I find that at altitude I need to eat more than my tummy tells me to, otherwise I'm in tears the last few miles (bonk!). Usually two packets of cream of wheat (or 3 for a big day) in the morning with some dried fruit and a cup of coffee. Then, a late morning snack while hiking - either an energy bar or a 1/2 snack baggie of gorp, then lunch is crackers and cheese or peanut butter, fish jerky, and grazing of snack items (pieces of dried fruit, a few corn nuts, etc). Then, afternoon hiking snack is usually a salty one, a 1/2 snack bag of crackers or corn nuts, then dinner is ~3/4-1 two-person backpacking meal, or a ramen noodles (the big kind from the asian food store!) with dehydrated veggies added. Then some candy for dessert. Oh, and always a few "emergency" jolly ranchers in the pocket while hiking.
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