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Re: TR: Backpacking Yosemite HSC Loop 8/5-8/11

Postby maverick » Tue Aug 23, 2016 7:21 pm

but I deal with the water filter problem by not taking one. For forty years I have just been drinking the Sierra backcountry water and never gotten sick from it. I prefer to get water from big lakes that have lots of volume (for dilution) and have been soaking up the sun's UV radiation (for disinfection). I also like creeks that flow directly down the mountainsides with no trails above.

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Re: TR: Backpacking Yosemite HSC Loop 8/5-8/11

Postby AlmostThere » Tue Aug 23, 2016 7:59 pm

sambieni wrote:Have you heard about the ban on Cloud's Rest camping? Ranger was very clear that it is not permissible to do so, yet I know tons folks who have done it and folks here said it was ok too.


Of course they have all done it and got away with it. People also get away with a zillion other things that are against the rules out there.

Pretty sure there are still people who leave all their food out all night, too, and have yet to pay the price.

Doesn't mean you should do it again....

I knew it was illegal, and I've told plenty of people it is, but they keep going to Clouds Rest overnight anyway. Some people don't care about that kind of thing...
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Re: TR: Backpacking Yosemite HSC Loop 8/5-8/11

Postby rlown » Tue Aug 23, 2016 9:06 pm

I filter water anyway. not a big deal, and then i don't have to guess. Almost every animal or person has defecated above where you are on the trail and even near the water source. I appreciate the UV comment on the lake thing, but I still filter unless i'm boiling for a meal anyway. And most filters come with a cleaning kit for the field strip/clean thing. Boiled water helps to seal the deal to make sure the filter flush is done. As pointed out, YMMV. Not sure I trust Steripen yet.. Hard to know unless someone takes a non-sterile sample, treats it with the pen, and then drinks it, and then sees what happens about 2 weeks later. Volunteers?

I have broken a clogged filter down before in the field, and it really only needed some of the silicone grease and it was fine again; not a clog at all. just a bit of algae.

I'm looking at the sawyer filter but I swear by my Katadyn right until my friend stepped on the output while pumping. Of course, he was carrying a spare as I insisted.
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Re: TR: Backpacking Yosemite HSC Loop 8/5-8/11

Postby sambieni » Tue Aug 23, 2016 9:18 pm

Of course they have all done it and got away with it. People also get away with a zillion other things that are against the rules out there.
Pretty sure there are still people who leave all their food out all night, too, and have yet to pay the price.
Doesn't mean you should do it again....
I knew it was illegal, and I've told plenty of people it is, but they keep going to Clouds Rest overnight anyway. Some people don't care about that kind of thing...


I do care about the illegality of Cloud's Rest assuming that is the rule. I received very clear info on this forum (find the thread if you wish) that indicated it was acceptable assuming good weather, same on other forums, plus when we gave rough itinerary to Rangers getting our permits they did not say anything. The Ranger after the fact was the first who very clearly told us it was out of bounds. We asked about it and he explained it clearly. I would not do again and I would not encourage others to do so. I posed the question here given the very mixed info received from variety of sources, I was curious what others may say. I am still grateful for my an amazing night and will leave it at that.

Water - I will almost never drink straight from the source; not a risk I want to take. My filter was like new with maybe 30 liters under its belt before the trip. Thankfully backcountry.com is taking it back since it seems to be a warranty issue. And I intend to simply replace w same filter because I love the system. Plus I will continue to bring a backup system of some kind as well.

Thanks for the enjoyable TR and nice pictures, to bad about the phone. Well one of the many things you have learned from this trip is that you need a new filter and add an 1.5 hrs to your expected departure and/or arrival times when hiked with your buddy. :)


Totally! My buddy said next time we camp, he will bring his own tent. So with that in mind, next time, I am just gonna get up and pack out to my schedule and see him later down the trail.
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Re: TR: Backpacking Yosemite HSC Loop 8/5-8/11

Postby rlown » Tue Aug 23, 2016 9:22 pm

what filter were you using? Brand...
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Re: TR: Backpacking Yosemite HSC Loop 8/5-8/11

Postby sambieni » Tue Aug 23, 2016 9:24 pm

Platypus' Gravityworks 2L
https://www.rei.com/product/849794/plat ... it-2-liter

My warmup trip near Mammoth Lakes was 2-5 minutes for my reservoir. This ran 10-15 (if not longer) for same reservoir x 2 people. Ugh.
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Re: TR: Backpacking Yosemite HSC Loop 8/5-8/11

Postby rlown » Tue Aug 23, 2016 9:29 pm

hmm. filters seems to be a personal choice. Sticking with my choice. she gets a pre-wash before a trip and try and keep the intake clean and has worked fine for 5 years now, 10 days at a time. Good luck with what you choose/trust. Of course it'll probably be 10 months from now, unless I get a break.

I think OldRanger was sporting a sawyer and it looked very useful, If you had a tree to hang it from..
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Re: TR: Backpacking Yosemite HSC Loop 8/5-8/11

Postby ERIC » Wed Aug 24, 2016 5:03 am

Is that an old Mountainsmith pack, circa 1990's?
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Re: TR: Backpacking Yosemite HSC Loop 8/5-8/11

Postby sambieni » Wed Aug 24, 2016 8:48 am

ERIC wrote:Is that an old Mountainsmith pack, circa 1990's?


I think you're speaking of the green pack w yellow pull in one of the photos? That is my buddy's pack - an old Dana Design Terraplane pack. Good pack, but a touch outdated features' wise.

Mine is in orange - Arc Teryx Altra 65. Super comfy pack, but on the heavy side. May upgrade to an Osprey Exos or similar next summer.
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Re: TR: Backpacking Yosemite HSC Loop 8/5-8/11

Postby AlmostThere » Wed Aug 24, 2016 9:19 am

sambieni wrote:I do care about the illegality of Cloud's Rest assuming that is the rule. I received very clear info on this forum (find the thread if you wish) that indicated it was acceptable assuming good weather, same on other forums, plus when we gave rough itinerary to Rangers getting our permits they did not say anything. The Ranger after the fact was the first who very clearly told us it was out of bounds. We asked about it and he explained it clearly. I would not do again and I would not encourage others to do so. I posed the question here given the very mixed info received from variety of sources, I was curious what others may say. I am still grateful for my an amazing night and will leave it at that.

Water - I will almost never drink straight from the source; not a risk I want to take. My filter was like new with maybe 30 liters under its belt before the trip. Thankfully backcountry.com is taking it back since it seems to be a warranty issue. And I intend to simply replace w same filter because I love the system. Plus I will continue to bring a backup system of some kind as well.


The thing is, the rangers don't even agree on the rules in the park. I generally assume that if the peak is popular, there will be a ban on camping on it -- the goal is to facilitate public use while preserving the wilderness and that's pretty darn hard to do, as we all can see, and there are similar issues in Sequoia and Kings Canyon -- there is for example nothing posted anywhere about whether one can overnight on Alta Peak. One year, we got a permit and the issuing ranger was down with it -- no problem. The following year we were chewed OUT, big time, for the plan to spend the night in the light of the super moon on the peak top.

I think it is hard to see the consequences of our actions in these matters -- we are but a handful of backpackers and pass through these spots one group at a time, without awareness of the thousands who have gone before or come after -- the rangers who patrol have the best awareness of what's really going on, and they aren't able to address everyone who goes. Rangers behind desks have different ideas of the rules. Some are volunteers. I have corrected rangers at the wilderness office in Yosemite when they are dispensing blatantly incorrect information -- also camp hosts. The host in Bridalveil campground insisted that bear spray was "okay" -- it is most definitely against the regulations, which can be read on the website, but the paranoid hiker was of course going to believe the host instead of me.

Things like camping restrictions are not always written down, so I don't wonder that they are not clear to everyone. And many are going to think asking forgiveness is preferable to asking permission, or are just going to do what they want anyway, because they really don't give two figs about those fragile ecosystems, they just want their vacation the way they want it, who cares about anything or anyone else. I'm glad to hear you aren't one of those. I try not to be as well. It isn't a popular stance, but I tend to view public lands as a public responsibility, which is not at all the attitude of so many others who think "my tax dollars paid two bucks of the park budget, therefore I can do what I want out there without consequences."

As for water -- yeah, I filter/treat/boil all the time. Another thing people like to assume. I know too many who've had Giardia to not be careful.
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Re: TR: Backpacking Yosemite HSC Loop 8/5-8/11

Postby sambieni » Wed Aug 24, 2016 9:40 am

Completely hear you.

I would have assumed Tuolomne Meadows permit center would be the most up-n-up. The Ranger in the field was surprised nobody said otherwise given who permitted us (he knew the person very well). Looking back, I think it was just too short of an interaction as she just updated from Glen Aulin to Glen Aulin pass thru and sent us on our way even as we mentioned our rough itinerary. My guess is she didn't really gather what we said - too busy w all the permits coming/going I def was not looking to do wrong and seek permission later - Ranger asked how our trip was and where we went as he reviewed the paper permit to survey the Vogelsang backpacker's camp. So as an excited backpacker I told him and was super excited doing so. I knew the 100 foot trail/water rule, but on this forum (and elsewhere) was told we could sleep up there - from people who do not appear as those looking to be poor stewards. I also understood that if the trail prevented you from extending beyond 100 feet for your camp (ie just the scenario on a knife's edge) that it does not hold up. Any rate, the ranger was cool and realized our clear admission indicated we mis interpreted the rules. But he definitely started a line of questioning beforehand to ensure we didn't flout other rules/do other stupid **** on the trip - namely bear canister related. He realized quickly it was an honest mistake and we clearly didn't intend to counter the rules. He wound up being really cool about it all. He said don't go facebook about it and to let folks know the rules who follow you. That's what I am doing now.

I def. hear you about folks' urgency on wanting vacation how they want it irrespective of the permits/rules, etc. I think this speaks in part to the under-resourced parks/service and inability to cope with onslaught of people. Makes it easier for folks to ignore / flout things. But remain amazed to know folks flout bear canister rules in particular. We were warned someone night before ignored it and had site ravaged by bears and each camper facing $5K fine!

You will be happy to know the permit center gave a GREAT "rules" talk prior to us all getting/updating our walk up permits. It was a group of 40 or so backpackers listening intently. He was VERY clear about bear spray banned in Yosemite/CA parks.

During my time living overseas years ago in developing world, I had giardia more than once and also got dysentery. No way do I want to experience anything close to that again. Filtering it is!
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Re: TR: Backpacking Yosemite HSC Loop 8/5-8/11

Postby maverick » Wed Aug 24, 2016 12:07 pm

Will get clarification on this issue from the Yosemite Wilderness Manager, Ed will have a conclusive answer. It has been at least a decade or maybe even two since my last night on top of CR, there was a time when folks spent the night on top of HD.
Personally I am not aware of any restrictions on camping around/or at the summit of CR and would have definitely not recommended it if I have, because of its popularity Yosemite NP should post any such restrictions on their web page and not leave it up to folks behind the desks to remember to remind backpackers.
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