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Re: Off-Trail Overnight Trips

Postby SweetSierra » Thu Jan 08, 2015 6:48 pm

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Since none of you answered Oleander's question about Ruby Lake, that gives me a chance to toss out that it often seems like I'm about the only one on this board that uses topo's plus Google Earth much in threads? I'm betting some of you despite the fact we talk about it often have never installed the free Google Earth application?



Thanks Dave. I was the one who mentioned Ruby Lake as a possibility. I'm glad to know that it's more well traveled than I thought I was. It makes sense, considering many would stay after crossing Mono Pass. My impression (wrong) was that it was more of a climb than day hikers (or backpackers) would want to do if the start is Little Lakes Valley TH.



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Re: Off-Trail Overnight Trips

Postby SweetSierra » Thu Jan 08, 2015 6:58 pm

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SSSdave wrote:A good example of that is Pioneer Basin at 11 miles and 2700 feet vertical going in. Unlike many destinations where it is up the first day and all down on the return, because of the crest one has to climb all the way back up 2k going out. So yeah possible for not much more than a peak bagger's endurance challenge.


Can't say I agree with you here. Last time I was there I was able to pack up camp in the morning, hike out, and I was home by 5PM. 11 miles with 2700 feet gain/loss isn't that big of a hike. If you are only out for 1 night and the weather forecast is favorable, you don't really need to haul in a ton of gear or food either.


Agree with schmaltz. Our group got there in one day. The next, we climbed to Grinnell Lake. We were tired at Pioneer, but if I took a layover there and then hiked back out, it wouldn't be bad at all.
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Re: Off-Trail Overnight Trips

Postby ERIC » Thu Jan 08, 2015 7:13 pm

I think SSSdave's pack weight might be partly to blame for the difference in opinion here. IIRC, he packs considerably heavier than maybe most on here do.
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Re: Off-Trail Overnight Trips

Postby TehipiteTom » Thu Jan 08, 2015 9:52 pm

ERIC wrote:I think SSSdave's pack weight might be partly to blame for the difference in opinion here. IIRC, he packs considerably heavier than maybe most on here do.

I don't know about that. I would absolutely agree with him that Pioneer Basin, while certainly doable in a day, isn't great for a 2-day trip. With a layover, sure, but that wasn't my question.

ETA: And Dave's point is crucial here: the hike out entails as much elevation gain as the hike in. I've hiked out out Pioneer Basin and gotten home by 5 pm, but I wouldn't have cared to do that the day after I hiked in.
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Re: Off-Trail Overnight Trips

Postby Steve_C » Sat Jan 10, 2015 3:18 pm

Out of Tuolumne Meadows, the Elizabeth Lake trail takes you to Elizabeth lake. From there, you could climb x-c toward Johnson Pk. The unnamed lake there has a sandy beach. I'm not sure it qualifies as to the 4-mile distance from TM, but it would make a really nice place to camp. If one spent two nights, the ridges and peaks would make a nice day hike.

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Looking at the YNP trailheads map, you would probably need a Rafferty Creek permit (24A), since Elizabeth does not meet the distance requirement. But the lake I am referring to is definitely outside the "dispersed camping" arrows of Rafferty and Cathedral Lakes (21).

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Re: Off-Trail Overnight Trips

Postby giantbrookie » Sat Jan 10, 2015 4:07 pm

Steve_C wrote:Out of Tuolumne Meadows, the Elizabeth Lake trail takes you to Elizabeth lake. From there, you could climb x-c toward Johnson Pk. The unnamed lake there has a sandy beach. I'm not sure it qualifies as to the 4-mile distance from TM, but it would make a really nice place to camp. If one spent two nights, the ridges and peaks would make a nice day hike.

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Looking at the YNP trailheads map, you would probably need a Rafferty Creek permit (24A), since Elizabeth does not meet the distance requirement. But the lake I am referring to is definitely outside the "dispersed camping" arrows of Rafferty and Cathedral Lakes (21).

This is interesting. I thought when I checked last year they had a separate entry for Nelson L. which would be the logical trailhead to lump this into (was considering this as a fall overnighter for my family). Their new wilderness trailhead map and listing does not have this, but when you open the pdf for the details of each trail, the Elizabeth L. trail is listed with the well-known "no camping" designator for Elizabeth L. but then a mileage to Nelson L. As of last year I thought I saw this listed as with a quota (ie "beyond" Elizabeth L.). It would certainly be harder to get below the quota for this with it lumped into the Rafferty-Vogelsang trunk, I would think.
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Re: Off-Trail Overnight Trips

Postby TehipiteTom » Sat Jan 10, 2015 4:53 pm

I definitely remember seeing a separate "Nelson Lake" trailhead on the trailheads list, but there's none now. Not sure what the story is.
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Re: Off-Trail Overnight Trips

Postby mschnaidt » Sun Jan 11, 2015 4:43 pm

You might want to try this trip out of Tahoe's Meeks Bay. It sounds like a nice hike into a fairly quiet area. I haven't done it myself yet but planning on it for a short trip this Summer.

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Re: Off-Trail Overnight Trips

Postby cahiker » Mon Jan 12, 2015 2:19 am

Another option in the neighborhood of Nelson Lake is Reymann Lake. We came in from somewhere around Tuolumne Pass on the trail from Tuolumne Meadows to Vogelsang, and went out by way of Elizabeth Lake. It was at the end of a week long trip, and it looked like some weather was coming in, so we didn't go all the way to Nelson, so I can't say which is nicer, but Reymann was pleasant and the views in the area are good.
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Re: Off-Trail Overnight Trips

Postby TehipiteTom » Mon Jan 12, 2015 10:32 am

cahiker wrote:Another option in the neighborhood of Nelson Lake is Reymann Lake. We came in from somewhere around Tuolumne Pass on the trail from Tuolumne Meadows to Vogelsang, and went out by way of Elizabeth Lake. It was at the end of a week long trip, and it looked like some weather was coming in, so we didn't go all the way to Nelson, so I can't say which is nicer, but Reymann was pleasant and the views in the area are good.

Thanks. Hmmm...looks like a good potential 2-day loop there, going in to Nelson via Elizabeth and the next day going via Reymann and Johnson Peak lakes on the way back to Elizabeth.
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Re: Off-Trail Overnight Trips

Postby markskor » Mon Jan 12, 2015 10:48 am

Tom,
Never been Johnson as rain/snow hit us that day but...
Elizabeth to Nelson a good long day of hiking out of Tuolumne - easy use trail over the pass but a little slow route finding that last few miles up to Nelson. (BTW, small fish and big mosquitoes at Nelson.)
Trail to Reymann is magic - keep south of the stream going up...one good campsite north east end of Reymann. We headed over to Voglesang after but, Johnson looked do-able on the map...maybe a bit of steep - suggest 3 days would be better.
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Re: Off-Trail Overnight Trips

Postby balzaccom » Mon Jan 12, 2015 11:02 am

TehipiteTom wrote:I definitely remember seeing a separate "Nelson Lake" trailhead on the trailheads list, but there's none now. Not sure what the story is.


Both Nelson and Echo Lakes have their own trailhead quotas in Yosemite. The Nelson Trailhead uses the trail to Elizabeth Lake, and then the use trail over the crest leads you to Nelson Lake.

Echo Lakes uses the Cathedral lake trailhead. You can either head straight up the creek to Budd Lake, and then cross over the divide, or take a use trail that leaves the Cathedral Lake trail about 1/2 mile up the hill from the trailhead. The trail past Budd Lake is really pretty much cross country. Note that once you can see Echo Lake, you need to go far left towards Matthes Crest to avoid the very steep section below Echo Peaks.

If you get a permit for either of these two, you need to take these routes. You cannot (legally) hike up Rafferty Creek to Tuolumne Pass and then to go Reymann or Nelson, and you can't hike through Cathedral Lakes to get to Echo Lake. At least that's what the wilderness ranger told me when we got our permits. We've done both hikes.

Note that the quotas for each of these trails are small--about 6, total--so they wouldn't work for a larger group. Echo Lake is usually used by climbers who are headed to Matthes Crest.

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