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Re: 2015 Group Trip ?

Postby Tom_H » Sat Nov 08, 2014 12:36 pm

The only way to have east and west side access, as well as an ability to start at the crest is via a trans-Sierra highway. Of those roads, the closest to the center on the N-S axis is CA 120, which happens to be the southernmost of those trans-Sierra highways, but also in Yosemite-excellent high country, but also crowds of people as well as NP regulations to consider. The next closest for these parameters is CA 108 with entry at Leavitt Lake. Some will have 4WD vehicles and others not, but if a loop were taken from the lake, people could arrange to ride share from 108 up the FS road to the lake and back down.

The map below shows a 24 mile loop from Leavitt. This is about the shortest possible loop and goes by Chain of Lakes. There are many other ways to make or modify the loop, but all will be longer. Heading down to Emigrant Lake might be a popular option.

http://caltopo.com/map?id=6M7I

Leavitt Lake itself is a sizable and attractive area where a large group could congregate and socialize. There are plenty of places to park trucks and set up a base camp sized large tents. Those with truck campers could sleep in those rigs at base camp. On the map linked above, you can switch to satellite view and zoom in on the NE corner of the lake and see how much area there is for vehicle camping. In that it's 4WD access, it's not usually overly crowded either.

This is by no means the crown jewel of the Sierra, but in terms of accessibility from all corners, back country access, time to destination, reasonable beauty, fishing, solitude, etc., it might be a good compromise.



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Re: 2015 Group Trip ?

Postby Cross Country » Sat Nov 08, 2014 1:11 pm

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Do you like North of these 2 CAs or in the Bay Area?
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Re: 2015 Group Trip ?

Postby Tom_H » Sat Nov 08, 2014 1:49 pm

CrossCountry-I must apologize; I do not understand the question.

Here is another little loop that can be done out of Leavitt Lake. This is only 28.5 mi., but it can easily be expanded by going further into the lakes to the south and west of Emigrant Lake. On this map, I am revealing one of my favorite secret places. I am in my 60s now. My wife is going through brutal radiation therapy for her breast cancer; her flesh is literally falling apart. The little trip I took with my daughter last summer may have been my last backpacking trip. I guess it's time to start giving up some of my most special secret locations. The map below shows what I call Secret Valley. It is a small picturesque meadow surrounded by granite. A crystal clear stream filled with trout meanders through lush grass and wildflowers (when in season). At the NW corner there are some hardened sand flats tucked between granite blocks, offering sheltered camping. This is one of the most secluded and serene places I have ever found. A group can camp there and not be found by other hikers. Not shown on the map is a small ridge to the north of this place, and just west of the stream exiting the meadow. The ridge offers perfect cross-country access (going due N) into Lunch Meadow.

http://caltopo.com/map?id=414F

Note to WanderingDaisy: should you decide to visit this place, let me know. I will give you the location of my nearby solar bathing pool and also a swimming pool with sheer granite walls to each side and plunging waterfall at the upper end.
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Re: 2015 Group Trip ?

Postby Bluewater » Sat Nov 08, 2014 1:55 pm

I would welcome the chance to meet some other HST members.

The group trip to Kawea and Milestone basins would be great, although it requires a minimum of 1 1/2 days to reach either basin, so a 5-9 day trip would make sense. There is good fishing, exploring, peak bagging and opportunities to work a meetup into other destinations. BTW, Hobbes I really like the idea of entering via HS Meadows, over Crabtree, a few days in Kawea/Picket/Milestone and out Shepherds (and the opportunity to meet Tom K).

The idea of having one meetup that is more easily accessible and a second one that is farther into the backcountry might appeal to a larger number of people while still keeping the numbers at each gathering more manageable.


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Re: 2015 Group Trip ?

Postby sparky » Sat Nov 08, 2014 8:35 pm

Tom H for E W access there is lots of options like onion valley/roads end,
or taboose/roads end, Piute Canyon, evolution valley, mono recesses, there is lots of options. 120 is 6-8 hours from most places in southern california
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Re: 2015 Group Trip ?

Postby rlown » Sat Nov 08, 2014 8:54 pm

ideas.. means nothing until someone steps up and commits to organize such a meet-up. Mav did a great job on the last one from what i saw posted. Sad that I could not attend.

Who's going to "herd the cats" so to speak?
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Re: 2015 Group Trip ?

Postby SSSdave » Sat Nov 08, 2014 10:29 pm

Nice range of inputs, keep them coming.

To put mileages and driving times in some perspective, Mapquest:

From los angeles to lee vining is 331 miles 5 hours 34 minutes.

From oakland to lee vining is 244 miles 4 hours 37 minutes.


From los angeles to tuolumne meadows is 351 miles 6 hours 5 minutes.

From oakland to tuolumne meadows is 204 miles 4 hours 19 minutes.


From oakland to mammoth lakes is 290 miles 5 hours 23 minutes.

From los angeles to mammoth lakes is 312 miles 5 hours 16 minutes.


From oakland to bishop is 362 miles 6 hours 24 minutes.

From los angeles to bishop is 267 miles 4 hours 26 minutes.


From oakland to te edison reservoir is 246 miles about 5.5 hours.

From los angeles to te edison reservoir is 318 miles about 6.5 hours.


From oakland to courtright reservoir is 238 miles about 4 hours 47 minutes.

From los angeles to courtright reservoir is 289 miles about 5 hours 44 minutes.


From oakland to independence is 404 miles about 7 hours 10 minutes.

Another idea no one has chimed in with is 20 Lakes Valley out of Saddlebag Reservoir. Less than 6 hours from either LA or Oakland. It is one of the few locations in the High Sierra where there is not a quota. Permits can be had at any of the Inyo stations or Tuolumne Meadows and the former can do the night box. The distance from the trailhead is less than 3 miles with little vertical so is trivial but yuh want excercise, climb North Peak. The only thing it is a wee bit weak on is fishing though I can yank pan sized brook trout out of one of those lakes at will. Great place for peakbaggers and photographers. The main issue is it is heavily used. But I do know a good zone to camp there that is away from trails, out of use routes and almost always empty of others because people stay around the lakes. And even usually has running water till mid season. Would work in late June to early July at just 3 to 4 days thus can avoid people's mid summer plans and thus serve as a warm up trip.
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Re: 2015 Group Trip ?

Postby oldranger » Sun Nov 09, 2014 9:04 am

Dave,

I laugh at your driving times/distances. Bend to Lee Vining--600 miles about 10 hours if I don't drink too much coffee on the way, hit a deer, or get stuck behind a cattle drive. Mokelumne Kid has even farther to go but can take interstate most of the way.

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Re: 2015 Group Trip ?

Postby austex » Sun Nov 09, 2014 9:46 am

oldranger wrote:Dave,

I laugh at your driving times/distances. Bend to Lee Vining--600 miles about 10 hours if I don't drink too much coffee on the way, hit a deer, or get stuck behind a cattle drive. Mokelumne Kid has even farther to go but can take interstate most of the way.

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Mike fly to Reno? I'd do as it w/b about 24hrs at best... Although I'm not a strong enough hiker (read slow) and would take a few more days to hike to the destination area picked. I drove to Boise solo 2 yrs ago took 33 hrs total.
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Re: 2015 Group Trip ?

Postby rlown » Sun Nov 09, 2014 11:20 am

pretty sure Windknot has everyone beat as he's in East Africa.

now, we should get over this topic unless someone steps up and sets a venue. Then the discussion changes.
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Re: 2015 Group Trip ?

Postby oldranger » Sun Nov 09, 2014 2:51 pm

Austex,

You are really a comedian!! Counting driving to airport, airport time,car rental etc there is no time savings by flying between Bend and Reno over driving.

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Re: 2015 Group Trip ?

Postby SSSdave » Sun Nov 09, 2014 2:59 pm

rlown wrote:pretty sure Windknot has everyone beat as he's in East Africa. now, we should get over this topic unless someone steps up and sets a venue. Then the discussion changes.


Earlier you wrote >>>"I actually don't like the big meet up plan. I like the impromptu meet-ups...It's almost best to talk to those that you know in your genre' (bagging, fishing, hiking), and team up that way. beyond that it'll be luck."

We all ought to just relax and let the thread slowly evolve. Its going to take some time for members to make inputs on this and as it is winter we don't have much going on at this slow season of the board so lets be patient. After we see the types of trips people have an interest in, then yeah we can discuss ways those might happen if at all. After that if someone wants to drive any particular trip fine. Of course you are obviously right about a better more serious trip is likely with those of one's own genre. No argument there. However on any enthusiast web board more so with gregarious personalities, people often also value some form of modest more general meetings.
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