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Re: Trip Advice: Ansel Adams

Postby udpumpkin » Tue Jul 15, 2014 5:46 pm

Thanks. I'll put Ruby Lake down as a possible alternative to Thousand Island. Badger Lakes may be a little out of the way from Thousand Island but could be an alternative to Clark Lakes.

As an aside, are there any day hikes in the vicinity of Nydiver, Thousand Island and Clark Lakes that people would recommend? Maverick mentioned Davis Lakes. Would getting from Thousand Island to a point that overlooks Lake Catherine be feasible for a day hike? I imagine we would have 3-4 hours of daylight to burn on some days after setting up camp. Would a day hike from Nydiver to Ediza and possibly to Iceberg be feasible?

Again, really a bunch of novices in good shape that wouldn't tackle anything more difficult than a class 2 section at most.



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Re: Trip Advice: Ansel Adams

Postby calipidder » Tue Jul 15, 2014 6:03 pm

There is a use trail that follows the drainage from Nydiver Lake from the trail between Shadow and Ediza. There is a campsite just off the main trail between that junction and Ediza. We stayed there a few years ago. It's not beautiful but it can fit several tents and we were tired when we got there. The next day we dayhiked a bunch of the lakes in the area, including Nydiver.

The link below shows our dayhike from camp up to Nydiver. We started from camp just off of the marked trail (above the 'd' in Shadow on the topo map), then found the use trail pretty quickly and followed it up. I don't recall campsites around Nydiver but I wasn't looking.

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Re: Trip Advice: Ansel Adams

Postby kpeter » Tue Jul 15, 2014 7:00 pm

udpumpkin wrote:Thanks. I'll put Ruby Lake down as a possible alternative to Thousand Island. Badger Lakes may be a little out of the way from Thousand Island but could be an alternative to Clark Lakes.

As an aside, are there any day hikes in the vicinity of Nydiver, Thousand Island and Clark Lakes that people would recommend? Maverick mentioned Davis Lakes. Would getting from Thousand Island to a point that overlooks Lake Catherine be feasible for a day hike? I imagine we would have 3-4 hours of daylight to burn on some days after setting up camp. Would a day hike from Nydiver to Ediza and possibly to Iceberg be feasible?

Again, really a bunch of novices in good shape that wouldn't tackle anything more difficult than a class 2 section at most.

I am taking a friend to Ediza and dayhiking for a few days starting Monday.

Nydiver can also be accessed by following Ediza's western inlet upstream and cutting NNE when you get to the 3060 meter mark.

I wandered through Clark Lakes once on my way in to Thousand Island and they made little impression on me. They would not be high on my list for a return visit.

Several classic day hikes at Thousand Island.
1) Circling the lake
2) Hiking over the easy divide at its SW corner to explore the western end of Garnet lake and
3) Hiking some ways up towards North Glacier Pass. Even if you don't go the whole way to see Lake Catherine, the views of Banner and back over Thousand Island Lake will become more and more impressive, and you might even stumble across this:
http://highwire.stanford.edu/~galic/sta ... tenbacher/
4) A long day hike would be up to Donahue Pass and back. Lovely meadows and flowers at certain times.
Have fun! I'm not sure when you are going, maybe we will bump into each other.
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Re: Trip Advice: Ansel Adams

Postby udpumpkin » Wed Jul 16, 2014 9:17 am

kpeter wrote:Have fun! I'm not sure when you are going, maybe we will bump into each other.


Thanks. We are going this Friday.

We simply chose Clark Lakes as it left us what looks to be a reasonable 7-8 mile hike to Agnew Meadows on our last day. Perhaps we should backtrack and overnight at Ruby or Garnet on the last night.
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Re: Trip Advice: Ansel Adams

Postby kpeter » Wed Jul 16, 2014 1:00 pm

udpumpkin wrote:
kpeter wrote:Have fun! I'm not sure when you are going, maybe we will bump into each other.


Thanks. We are going this Friday.

We simply chose Clark Lakes as it left us what looks to be a reasonable 7-8 mile hike to Agnew Meadows on our last day. Perhaps we should backtrack and overnight at Ruby or Garnet on the last night.


To my taste it would not be a destination lake, but Clark Lakes is a perfectly reasonable wayside stop on your way out if you think you cannot get from Thousand Island all the way to Agnew in one day. It is worth doing the high trail for variety and the vistas. But by the last day with your packs lighter and your lungs more acclimated I bet you could do Thousand Island to Agnew on the high trail in a day.
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Re: Trip Advice: Ansel Adams

Postby rpb » Wed Jul 16, 2014 1:04 pm

Thousand Island to Agnew Meadows is definitely doable in one day. I recently did the river trail between Agnew and Thousand Island in about 5 hours of walking time taking it easy. There was another group that left the same time as us that did the same hike via the high trail and they were about 200 yards ahead of us when we reached our destination.
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Re: Trip Advice: Ansel Adams

Postby udpumpkin » Wed Jul 16, 2014 1:17 pm

Thanks. Yes, I don't think it will be a problem for our group to do Thousand Island to Agnew in a day. Our permit has us starting towards Shadow Creek, so I was thinking Ediza or Nydiver would be a good first stop followed by Thousand Island. Clark was just a different place on the loop back towards Agnew. Maybe we should do Thousand Island again or Garnet instead of Clark. Is it safe to assume that Badger Lake is similar to Clark?

I know that our group could comfortably do 7 miles a day and could probably do 9 miles everyday. Multiple 10+ mile days may be pushing it. I'll have to noodle on it some more. My only experience in this area was a loop I ran from Agnew Meadows to Thousand Island (via John Muir) and back on the River Trail. The area from Shadow Lake to Thousand Island was some of the most amazing scenery I have experienced. Maybe finishing on Clark Lakes would not be the way to go out.
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Re: Trip Advice: Ansel Adams

Postby rsm333 » Wed Jul 16, 2014 1:47 pm

Yes, consider the Western end of 1000 Island lake...lot's of room there. Also, you can petty easily get over the low pass to Garnet from here. I would think carefully about Whitebark Pass from Garnet to Nydiver.
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Re: Trip Advice: Ansel Adams

Postby Dave_Ayers » Thu Jul 17, 2014 8:36 am

+1 on the Clark Lakes area not being impressive. The better day hikes and more spectacular areas are generally west of the JMT. Clark Lakes is not really closer to Agnew than Ruby, Garnet, or Badger and the camping is definitely better at those 3.
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Re: Trip Advice: Ansel Adams

Postby udpumpkin » Thu Jul 17, 2014 11:22 am

Dave_Ayers wrote:+1 on the Clark Lakes area not being impressive. The better day hikes and more spectacular areas are generally west of the JMT. Clark Lakes is not really closer to Agnew than Ruby, Garnet, or Badger and the camping is definitely better at those 3.


That's great to know beforehand. I'll have to change the route up. Worst case we can do Nydiver > Thousand Island > Garnet/Ruby/Badger and just day hikes with any remaining daylight. Alternatively, if we are feeling good, maybe we hit Thousand Island the first day, head farther north then double back the last night to Garnet before exiting at Agnew. Lots to think about!

Thanks again everyone for the advice and I'll follow-up with a trip report when we get back.
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Re: Trip Advice: Ansel Adams

Postby SSSdave » Sun Jul 20, 2014 5:19 pm

Amusing to this person on negatives noted about the Clark/Summit lakes area. There are spectacular andesite volcanic features above the lakes on the east wall worth exploring by climbing up towards the top of the plateau above. And views from the rim in the morning with the lakes below and whole Ritter Range in the background is utterly spectacular. But if all one usually does after arriving at destinations is being a campbody then yeah it probably won't be interesting.
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