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Re: crazy for thinking I can pack less than 20 lbs for 4 days?

Postby rlown » Wed Feb 05, 2014 4:02 pm

so, you're saying it depends on where you go..



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Re: crazy for thinking I can pack less than 20 lbs for 4 days?

Postby balzaccom » Wed Feb 05, 2014 4:02 pm

[quote="rlown"]wow. a Titanium trowel. 50 buxx as well. um, no. I'd spend that on a TI frying pan instead.

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I think we need to look into this as a multipurpose TI tool. Both frying pan and trowel!1 :p
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Re: crazy for thinking I can pack less than 20 lbs for 4 days?

Postby Tom_H » Wed Feb 05, 2014 4:07 pm

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Re: crazy for thinking I can pack less than 20 lbs for 4 days?

Postby Rockchucker » Wed Feb 05, 2014 4:16 pm

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Re: crazy for thinking I can pack less than 20 lbs for 4 days?

Postby markskor » Wed Feb 05, 2014 4:43 pm

Ah, a Trowel conundrum -
"....campfire, charcoal barbeuce, or use a gas stove or gas lantern. The permit is your agreement to follow the campfire restrictions and regulations in effect... it may be used in any National Forest in California." - "Have a shovel available at the campfire site for preparing and extinguishing campfires."

These shovel "terms" were found nowhere else except in conjunction with obtaining a campfire permit, and at that, "having a shovel" is mandated only in the National Forests of California.
Is a trowel considered a shovel? Why?
Doesn't a Wilderness Permit (no mention found there in, about shovels and/or trowels) trump a Campfire Permit...What happens if you are crossing over from a NP -> National Forest?

However, looked more and did not find any mention of a trowel mandate clause...It could be there though? Where...?
If there, does this trowel mandate clause extend to National Forests if crossing back into National Parks?...Yosemite and SEKI?
Will the rules be subjective if someone is just passing through? What about thru hikers (PCT &JMT)...much like their having to carry/not carry bear cans depending?
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Re: crazy for thinking I can pack less than 20 lbs for 4 days?

Postby rlown » Wed Feb 05, 2014 6:12 pm

I think that's Markskor's missing oatmeal spoon, rockchucker! :D

I still stick to my point. you don't get a LOT of time out there. be comfortable, don't have to spend that much, and have a good time. why would the goal be light other than enjoyment?
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Re: crazy for thinking I can pack less than 20 lbs for 4 days?

Postby freestone » Wed Feb 05, 2014 7:24 pm

For me, hiking all day with a pack weighing more than 25 pounds is very uncomfortable. So I think its crazy not to be under 20 pounds for 4 days.
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Re: crazy for thinking I can pack less than 20 lbs for 4 days?

Postby Tom_H » Wed Feb 05, 2014 8:36 pm

rlown wrote:...why would the goal be light other than enjoyment?


Bingo. At one point in my life, if the pack was under 65 lb., backpacking may as well have been daykiking. I trained in the winter by climbing stadium stairs with 100 lb. of rocks in an expedition pack. One day a participant got sick and I carried one pack on the front and one on my back, 120 lb. total. That was a hard day. For the most part though, weight was irrelevant.

I will hit 60 this year and nowadays an extra ounce feels like an extra pound used to. The bucks I spend on UL/SUL equipment absolutely do bring me enjoyment, the enjoyment of my back not being in agony. \:D/ If it weren't for this modern equipment, I would have hung up my boots a long time ago. (Actually the old 6 lb. Raichles really are sitting on a shelf under my original boy scout oak frame and canvas pack which hangs on the wall.) :wink:
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Re: crazy for thinking I can pack less than 20 lbs for 4 days?

Postby Rockchucker » Wed Feb 05, 2014 9:05 pm

I've whittled my gear weight down over the last 15 years, last year I worked a ton and did pretty well (construction) so I spent more on gear than EVER before. Albeit a bunch of that has been gearing up my son too. I figure this is a lifetime investment, or close to it, and the enjoyment it helps provide is priceless, especially the time spent with my son. He is growing so fast and a few weeks spent one on one with him, sans technology, gives me such a since of connection to him and the world all at once. It's hard to explain but I feel we are creating a life long bond that is strong and made way more comfortable by good gear that fits right, works great, and is simple. At the same time I've given my older gear to people wanting to get into backpacking.
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Re: crazy for thinking I can pack less than 20 lbs for 4 days?

Postby Tom_H » Wed Feb 05, 2014 9:35 pm

Rockchucker wrote:a bunch of that has been gearing up my son too. I figure this is a lifetime investment, or close to it, and the enjoyment it helps provide is priceless, especially the time spent with my son. He is growing so fast and a few weeks spent one on one with him, sans technology, gives me such a since of connection to him and the world all at once. It's hard to explain but I feel we are creating a life long bond that is strong...


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Re: crazy for thinking I can pack less than 20 lbs for 4 days?

Postby Wandering Daisy » Wed Feb 05, 2014 10:09 pm

"enjoyment" is different things for different folks. My level of comfort needed for enjoyment may be different than someone else. I would never presume to tell someone what they need "enjoy" themselves.

I met a backpacker on a long trip I did in the Wind Rivers - we both had been out over 20 days - He was thoroughly enjoying himself, albeit with a bit less "comfort" than me (OK he was a lot tougher than me!). I was thoroughly enjoying myself, albeit with a bit more weight in my pack than he would deem "enjoyable". I would have froze to death with his gear. My gear was not that much heavier- fly rod instead of tankara(sp??), nearly 3 pound 10 degree bag to his one pound bag, tarptent to his tarp, to name a few. There are people who do not need that "extra pound" of comfort to "enjoy" themselves in the back country. I think experienced backpackers come to their own balance between comfort and pack weight. Sometimes we choose discomfort - on this particular leg of a 40 day trip, I chose to carry 14 days food and willingly suffered for a while in order to "enjoy" a longer time without any contact with civilization.
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Re: crazy for thinking I can pack less than 20 lbs for 4 days?

Postby Rockchucker » Wed Feb 05, 2014 10:13 pm

Tom_H wrote:
Rockchucker wrote:a bunch of that has been gearing up my son too. I figure this is a lifetime investment, or close to it, and the enjoyment it helps provide is priceless, especially the time spent with my son. He is growing so fast and a few weeks spent one on one with him, sans technology, gives me such a since of connection to him and the world all at once. It's hard to explain but I feel we are creating a life long bond that is strong...


Beautiful. Cherish it while you can. They grow up and are gone before you know what's happened. :thumbsup:

It's already happening, I swear he was 3 yesterday. Life is too short, I'm starting to think. We spend a lot of time together now, but he is already texting his buddy's, has a "girlfriend", homework,etc. I want to soak it all up as much as possible!
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