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Re: crazy for thinking I can pack less than 20 lbs for 4 days?

Postby rlown » Wed Feb 05, 2014 11:34 am

people still carry trowels?



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Re: crazy for thinking I can pack less than 20 lbs for 4 days?

Postby markskor » Wed Feb 05, 2014 11:47 am

Yes, getting your big 4 down below 10 pounds (8 better) takes care of most problems.

My comment though is that this was concerning a 4-day fishing trip....Did not say where though.
If doing stream destinations (Tenkara) and staying below 10,000 (where fires are allowed), your quest is quite easily do-able. Lots of great advice above.

If venturing to high altitude - the high lakes - anticipate both weather and limited success using a Tenkara Rig - (Lake fish, those of of size anyway, usually are found farther out and deeper - unreachable by Tenkara).

What are you fishing for? How high? When? On trail or off? How experienced?
I carry a good spin rod and reel, and use bigger lures...(How many chances do you have in life to catch a big fish in the Sierra? What are you saving your best/lightest gear for? Use what works best for you; take your best shot - if you are a serious fisherman. If not, why go?)...maybe an extra 2+ pounds right there. Still, (especially after looking at the $$$ posted gear list - wow!), under 20 pounds and comfortable/safe (a critical criteria) is still possible - for a price.

BTW, my high-altitude kit, with fishing gear, stove, and bear can (You never say if will you need to carry one?) - all up - 15 - 16 pounds...no food or water.

As said before, with all gear: good, cheap, light - pick two.
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Re: crazy for thinking I can pack less than 20 lbs for 4 days?

Postby Tom_H » Wed Feb 05, 2014 12:21 pm

rlown wrote:people still carry trowels?


Mine is titanium and weighs 0.5 oz. As a former professional guide, I believe in environmentalism and safety. Our outfit always made sure participants learned LNT and disposed of waste appropriately. A SUL trowel is efficient, and not much total weight if shared among a group. For an individual, however, it is a half ounce and a half of a Ben Franklin that can be avoided.
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Re: crazy for thinking I can pack less than 20 lbs for 4 days?

Postby rlown » Wed Feb 05, 2014 12:40 pm

wow. a Titanium trowel. 50 buxx as well. um, no. I'd spend that on a TI frying pan instead.

I bought a green plastic trowel in the mid 80s. what was the point after you get off trail? boot heal, spall rock. stick.. anyway, to each their own.

and what Mark said on base weight.

I wonder what happened to the naked guy, the barefoot person, and the person who only drinks water in a 2 week trip.


Don't be stupid, be comfortable for what you want/need. If the goal is to hike with less and maybe suffer discomfort, what is the point? I go there to have a good time; not test how light i was.
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Re: crazy for thinking I can pack less than 20 lbs for 4 days?

Postby Rockchucker » Wed Feb 05, 2014 12:47 pm

I've been asked by backcountry ranger if I had a trowel with me as they are required. He didn't ask me to show it to him but trusted my word I guess. I didn't have a trowel but have since purchased a titanium one and carry it. I also occasionally use it as a deadman in leu of another stake.
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Re: crazy for thinking I can pack less than 20 lbs for 4 days?

Postby rlown » Wed Feb 05, 2014 12:50 pm

that might explain the 30 somethings carrying them on the trail near Piute. bright orange on their belts. Never have been asked even at wilderness permit acquisition time.

Wow, you've met a back country ranger.. wonder where they have been. :)
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Re: crazy for thinking I can pack less than 20 lbs for 4 days?

Postby Rockchucker » Wed Feb 05, 2014 2:00 pm

rlown wrote:that might explain the 30 somethings carrying them on the trail near Piute. bright orange on their belts. Never have been asked even at wilderness permit acquisition time.

Wow, you've met a back country ranger.. wonder where they have been. :)

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Re: crazy for thinking I can pack less than 20 lbs for 4 days?

Postby LMBSGV » Wed Feb 05, 2014 2:29 pm

Trowels are required? Never carried one, never been asked. As someone remarked on another thread, I though that's what tent stakes are for.
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crazy for thinking I can pack less than 20 lbs for 4 days?

Postby AlmostThere » Wed Feb 05, 2014 2:35 pm

A shovel of some kind is a mandate of that campfire permit you carry.
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Re: crazy for thinking I can pack less than 20 lbs for 4 days?

Postby markskor » Wed Feb 05, 2014 3:14 pm

Confused, as usual -
(BTW, Also never been asked about carrying a trowel,
So I don't.)
But, if now mandated - (really?), especially for obtaining a campfire permit,
If no campfire intended, do I still need a trowel?
Why do I need a trowel to make a campfire?
and, what does a "a shovel of some kind" mean?
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Re: crazy for thinking I can pack less than 20 lbs for 4 days?

Postby rlown » Wed Feb 05, 2014 3:53 pm

on the Trowel thinggy:

Soap and Human Waste
Fish and soapy water do not mix. Please wash your dishes on shore in a pot of water and then dump the water on the ground far from any lake or stream. You can take baths without polluting as well.
Bury human waste with the heel of your boot, a shovel, or a trowel. Dig a hole five of six inches into the humus layer at least 100 feet from the water. Afterwards, cover the hole and microorganisms will decompose the waste.
If you are in a large group, dig a long but shallow latrine. Remember to fill it in before you leave.


From http://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/inyo/lear ... rdb5182515

Now i understand that as part as a Campfire permit, you are required to carry a mechanism to put out the fire. I like to call that my 2 quart aluminum pot. In 4 different wilderness permit documentations that i keep, there is no mention of trowel, above or below fireline. And as most of my trips are above "fireline", not gonna carry one So..

Doesn't mean you can't carry one if you wish.
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Re: crazy for thinking I can pack less than 20 lbs for 4 days?

Postby maverick » Wed Feb 05, 2014 4:00 pm

http://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/sequoia/p ... ev3_059516

"When you sign the permit you agree to the following:

-Have a shovel available at the campfire site for preparing and extinguishing campfires."
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